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holstein Backing place [sic, plate] » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:03 pm wrote:GreenLake, Were you able to install a backing plate behind the track ??
Peterw11 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:19 am wrote:"(I'll spare the drama of the latter part of our cruise yesterday when both of the jib cars ripped out of the gunwales...)"
I think that happens to a lot of new owners of old boats. It happened to me on my first sail, as well.
danamags » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:26 am wrote:So in what might be described as the maiden voyage (as a new owner of an old boat), both of the jib cars and tracks were torn out of the gunwales under the stress of having the jib sheeted while sailing close haul - not at the same time, but one came out, which I then simply used a horn cleat near the stern to keep the jib under control when needed on that side, using the remaining jib car/track to handle it when on the other side - until, of course, that one ripped out of the fiberglass, as well.
Salty Dog » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:23 pm wrote:Greenlake
I have swivel cleats w/ fair lead mounted on top of my coaming about a foot or so back from my cuddy top. [...] I am going to replace them with same but better quality cleats in same place due to recent cleat failure trouble During a race.
cotuitds2 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:46 pm wrote:Can anyone provide some input on mounting the jib car track that is linked above or other hardware on the side of the cockpit or on the rail. I like the idea of getting cam cleats along the sides of the cockpit so that I can single hand more easily vs. routing on to the centerboard which I consistently find just out of reach. Other than drilling a hole and putting in an inspection port is there a way to securely affix a new jib car track or a cam cleat? Will pop rivets be strong enough? Is there another expanding piece of hardware that I can attach blind? What's behind that part of the cockpit? Is there an epoxy that I could use in combination with hardware that would be credible?
GreenLake » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:19 pm wrote:I would not trust unsupported deck molding with holding fasterners for a jib track. Not just for the point loads from each fastener, but also to distribute the total sheet load a bit, I would think some sort of backing would be useful. The minute you come to that conclusion, there's no way around adding an inspection port. (Now, if you don't believe in a backing plate, but think fender washers are sufficient, you'd still need an inspection port.) Adding a port is an extra step, but it's quite manageable. . . .
SpeckledTrout » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:35 pm wrote:Green Lake, when you installed the jib tracks did you also install backing plates? Looks like your DSI has teak trim so perhaps you were able to get behind that. I have a DSII and would need to install access ports in order to get behind the cockpit side.
Skippa» Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:51 pm wrote:Hello All
Launched my "new to me" 1980 DSII, last weekend and got a chance to single hand her last night. I am in love with my new boat but there a couple of things I want to add or change.
The jib sheets seem to lead the wrong direction for my liking and looking at jib track and cars I don't see how I can change this direction with out upgrading to another manufacture.
Peterw11 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:19 am wrote:An adequate fix is to merely move the tracks an inch or so horizontally, drill a couple of new holes, and reattach the jib tracks, which is what I did. It doesn't hurt if you add a couple of additional screws evenly distrbuted along the length of the track, just to add a bit more strength to the attachment points.
Talbot » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:12 pm wrote: Jib tracks This should probably move to a new topic, but as long as we're here...
The tracks are bolted through plywood that is glassed to the inner hull. It probably is rotten. Rudi at D&R Marine suggests moving the tracks to the top of the coaming (where they ended up on the DS III) where the force is shear rather than straight out.
My preference would be to install inspection ports aft of the tracks, such that you can get in there and through-bolt the tracks into their original locations, possibly with an additional backing plate. (I'm not sure how someone would actually remove the rotten wood, because it's encased in a pocket of fiberglass.)
GreenLake » Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:30 pm wrote:I'm also a member of the "jib track failure on maiden voyage" club, but on a DS1. In my case the jib track broke, and I used the occasion to upgrade to modern hardware. Assuming that you want to keep your hardware, and that it wasn't damaged, it should be possible to "rejuvenate" the holes into which the screws were drilled.
TIM WEBB » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:46 pm wrote:... when the tracks pulled out, I just through-bolted the cars at the aftmost position. Eventually I added the inhauls, ...
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