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DigitalMechanic wrote:I can see what you are talking about. From sailing my boat, I find if I am trying to hike out, I constantly come back into the boat to trim because I always have to un-cleat any time I want to easy the sheet, period. So, in my head I wanted to be able to cleat and un-cleat without having to move, whether sheeting in or easing. I am not sure that this is a final solution to that problem until I can get a sea trial in. My only concern is that the further the boom is out from centerline of the boat, the more the fiddle block and cleat are going to point up. I believe this is potentially only a problem for un-cleating at that point. However, with the boom that far out (nearly touching the shrouds is pretty extreme), the sheet should be on it's way back in at that point. Also, with the sheet in hand, and boom lashed to the shroud, a slight pull forward brings that block back towards level position, and seems easy to un-cleat again at that point with a little tug upwards.
In this test on the trailer, I have no force pushing out on the boom at this point (like wind would), the boom is simply tied to the shroud for this test. I am not sure what the experience on the water will be when we start playing tug of war I am taking it out Sunday, and will give it a sea trial.
I believe the following is the "professional" solution, but comes at a price I am trying to defer at least for the time being...
http://www.dieballsailing.com/harken-144-swivel-cam-base-150-cam-matic/
http://www.dieballsailing.com/harken-2622-57mm-fiddle-block-swivel-becket/
This solution would allow the cleat to stay on a static "plane" as the boom moves, and person holding the sheet moves.
DigitalMechanic wrote:Tim,
I was just looking at pictures of the work you did on your boat. I like that name "Red Witch". What is that tabernacle cover made from? Also, I see you are a neighbor, living about an hour and half south of me down in Deland
That is where I bought my boat from (Actually a guy in Casselberry).
Cheers
DigitalMechanic wrote:I setup the boat up to play with it a little more...
TIM WEBB wrote:DigitalMechanic wrote:... My only concern is that the further the boom is out from centerline of the boat, the more the fiddle block and cleat are going to point up. I believe this is potentially only a problem for un-cleating at that point. However, with the boom that far out (nearly touching the shrouds is pretty extreme), the sheet should be on it's way back in at that point. Also, with the sheet in hand, and boom lashed to the shroud, a slight pull forward brings that block back towards level position, and seems easy to un-cleat again at that point with a little tug upwards. ...
I believe the following is the "professional" solution, but comes at a price I am trying to defer at least for the time being...
http://www.dieballsailing.com/harken-144-swivel-cam-base-150-cam-matic/
http://www.dieballsailing.com/harken-2622-57mm-fiddle-block-swivel-becket/
This solution would allow the cleat to stay on a static "plane" as the boom moves, and person holding the sheet moves.
I agree that the swivel cam base is probably the best solution, and no doubt in use by more than a few DS skippers. Looks like a sheet-snagger to me tho ...
Correct: the further out the boom is, the higher the up-facing cleat points, and therefore a down-to-release makes more sense, since with mid-boom sheeting, the boom is never really on centerline, unless you have a mid-boom traveler, in which case all bets are off!...
Yup, down here in DeeLightFul DeeLand, just up I-4 from C'berry. Not too far from you. How is the sailing up there on the "fat" part of the St. John's? There's an event called the Mug Race they do every year from Palatka to Jax that I've always wanted to give a try, but just seems that something else is always going on.
I thought I was talking about the angled spots on the CB trunk for the jib cleats. If you put a wedge there, you can reduce the angle, but, in my experience, you don't want to "aim" too far off the angle that the fully loaded jib sheet will make when cleated.
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