DS1 Design Changes

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Postby ctenidae » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:53 am

We're Here wrote:A point of interest: my DS1 #3338 has a brass plate on the aft face of the cuddy that reads: Commemorative Model, 1958-1968. It has a black hull and teak floorboards. This would appear to place the first year of production at 1958.


Places #3338 pretty firmly in 1968, too. Which further supports the ~300/year building pace idea.
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Postby ctenidae » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:55 pm

Based on this thread: http://forum.daysailer.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1594

I added a column to the spreadsheet. The guide on the bow the anchor line runs through has the whale on it, as do the jib sheet blocks. I was going to replace them all, but now I won't.
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Postby ctenidae » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:15 am

So, I was reading somewhere about the centerboard mechanisms, and people mentioned having a plate with a dimple in it inside the CB trunk opposite the lever that holds the end of the square pin. I've checked, and I don't have anything like that. Another later addition to the design?
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Postby GreenLake » Sat May 07, 2011 1:44 am

Just to remind any DS1 owners that are new to their boat, or new to this site, to check the spreadsheet of Daysailer 1 configurations, and if they have an unusual configuration (original configuration, not as after-market modified) to be sure to enter your boat's information. Same goes, if they have a boat for which name or sail number are well established and that could help nail down the date for a configuration change.

The link is:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah4wH53RvkS5dFo0UU1GSlZjU1JVMUVzRDlreW5HRWc&hl=en#gid=0

Again, thanks to @ctenidae for creating this useful resource.
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Postby SUNBIRD » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:21 am

GreenLake wrote:The first link, the Point Roberts boat, is not a DS. Note how the cuddy is really short and the mast is stepped before the cuddy. Some other ODay boat, perhaps an Osprey?


DEFINITELY an Osprey!
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Postby JACK FLASH » Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:08 pm

This is a very cool list. Based on this list it puts my year model closer to a 65-66. I originally was thinking 68. I still have the plate that was on the bow tank. My sail number is 2117 and Hull # is 11906. One idea on this list would be to create worksheet rules so that the person making the entry has to pick from multiple choice or a description of what information we are looking to compile. For example, the column for "Rigging", what info are we comparing. Also it might be helpful for some and for me to have descriptions like for the rub rail column. What is the difference between a wide and a narrow rub rail. I think mine is the wide but I left it blank because I can't remember what the difference was. I think these two ideas will be make the list more accurate and easier to sort the data to make the list more user friendly. BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT IT TAKES TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN A LIST LIKE THIS. THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR DOING IT!!!!!!!
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Re: DS1 Design Changes

Postby 68commemorative » Mon May 20, 2013 3:23 am

I have a 1958-1968 commemorative model as well. I will check to see what the hull number is as well. Where would that number be located?
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Re: DS1 Design Changes

Postby 68commemorative » Mon May 20, 2013 4:13 am

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Re: DS1 Design Changes

Postby GreenLake » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:33 am

68commemorative wrote:I have a 1958-1968 commemorative model as well. I will check to see what the hull number is as well. Where would that number be located?

On a 1968 it would most likely be some metal plaque. On my '63 the plaque was riveted to the transom coaming (the holes are still visible, plaque is long gone). At other times (earlier/later?) they were riveted to the front bulkhead in the cuddy.

Standard HIN's were still a few years away then.
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Re: DS1 Design Changes

Postby tc53 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:26 pm

The metal plate that was mounted on my transom coaming (long detached), says "Made by Marscot Plastics, Inc., Fall River, MA for G.D. O'Day Associates, Boston, MA." My cockpit floor has stringers (presumably wood, but I have not checked) glassed into the floor (may have been added after manufacture, I suppose), the seats and thwarts are wood (mahogany? teak?), as are the coamings, and there are floatation tanks, with access panels, in bow and transom. Jib blocks are on tracks on P/S coamings, led to cam cleats on small "shelves" just inside cabin on P/S sides. I've always figured it was an early '60s boat, but after reading this forum and the Google spreadsheet, I'm not sure. Any ideas?
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Re: name plates

Postby SUNBIRD » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:38 am

navahoIII wrote:It looks like some of the DSIs have name plates (on the transom coaming) with O'Day...Fall River, MA and others have O'Day...Boston, MA. Ours (a 1961) has Boston. Is Fall River later?

Should we add a column?

O'DAY boats were built in New Bedford, MA by MARSCOT Plastics at first, (about 1958-63?) Around 1959-60 Marscot merged with Beetle Boats (NOT Beetle CAT) to become American Boatbuilding, soon after George O'DAY was forced to build his own factory to build his company's boats and that operation was based in Fall River, MA. Prior to that, the OFFICES of O'DAY Boats were in Boston, MA (ironically, on Newbury ST...... now a HIGH-priced shopping district!). So, if your ID plate reads "Boston" the boat was built prior to the Fall River Plant coming on-line, and the boat was most likely built by Marscot for O'DAY (early boats actually list Marscot as the builder).

One more interesting bit of trivia.... when Beetle and Marscot merged, I think Mr Beetle (John Beetle, son of the catboat builder) or his descendants, left to form a new company building fiberglass items for other uses, like chemical tanks/vats, and possibly doing some contract molding for small companies building boats. The last known location for that company was right at the entrance to the Fall River Industrial Park, where O'DAY had their Airport Rd. factory. Original O'Day factory in Fall River was at 165 Stevens ST, near the RT 195 - RT 24 junction.

O'DAY did keep pretty good records of how many DAY SAILERs they built at first........ and unfortunately, when O'DAY went bankrupt in 1989, no one was able to save all of the records..... some data is available through D&R Marine (Rudy Nickerson), but not much.
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Re: DS1 Design Changes

Postby SUNBIRD » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:57 am

tc53 wrote:The metal plate that was mounted on my transom coaming (long detached), says "Made by Marscot Plastics, Inc., Fall River, MA for G.D. O'Day Associates, Boston, MA." My cockpit floor has stringers (presumably wood, but I have not checked) glassed into the floor (may have been added after manufacture, I suppose), the seats and thwarts are wood (mahogany? teak?), as are the coamings, and there are floatation tanks, with access panels, in bow and transom. Jib blocks are on tracks on P/S coamings, led to cam cleats on small "shelves" just inside cabin on P/S sides. I've always figured it was an early '60s boat, but after reading this forum and the Google spreadsheet, I'm not sure. Any ideas?


I'd say 1958-60?
I have also noticed that the early (Marscot-built?) DAY SAILERs have plank seams simulated on the deck. Seats were wood.
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Re: DS1 Design Changes

Postby jeadstx » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:52 am

As a note, Carl Beetle was the owner of the Beetle Boat Company. I have a 1952 built Beetle Boat "Swan". It uses the same centerboard lever as the Day Sailer I.

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Re: DS1 Design Changes

Postby SUNBIRD » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:42 am

Thank you, my brain was half-asleep and got mixed up. Carl Beetle (of Beetle Boats) was the son of John Beetle (of Beetle Cat and whale Boat fame). My Dad had one of the Beetle-Built FALCON class sloops, a few of our neighbors had Beetle-built TECH Dinghies, an for awhile there was an old Beetle SWAN moored nearby (Her owner once gave me a tow when the mast of the 9' trimaran that I had at the time suffered a dismasting).
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Re: DS1 Design Changes

Postby Cliff » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:12 pm

Hello Sunbird

My boat interior looks just like the one in your attachment of 1/6/17 0257 AM.

My boat had the simulated deck seams. It's Hull #2018; Sail #295 Still have the builder's plate on the transom coaming. The class # is hand scratched in as:"DS used" Also the waterline is molded into the hull. Idea of year?

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