daysailer 1 vs Javelin

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daysailer 1 vs Javelin

Postby domromer » Wed May 11, 2016 1:32 pm

I'm looking at the Javelin as a smaller daysailer that's a little smaller and a little easier to launch off the beach. i can't find much info about the javelin, can any of you guys tell me about it, is it pretty much the same as the daysailer just smaller? Any faster to rig?
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Re: daysailer 1 vs Javelin

Postby GreenLake » Wed May 11, 2016 4:31 pm

The local group of dinghy sailors sails a wide variety of boats. As we launch from the same spot at the same time, it's easy to make comparisons. My impression is that all the crews need about the same time for rigging and unrigging their boats, with little difference (as long as the boats have the same number of sails).

That said, I have a single-sail, 8' dinghy with an unstayed mast that I can rig in 10 minutes. If you want to select a boat based on how quickly you can rig it, the factors to consider would be an unstayed mast (no need to connect forestay and shrouds) with a single, loose-footed main that's "sleeved" around the mast (no need for halyards or threading bolt-ropes).

The minute you add a jib and stays, and use halyards to raise your sails, the number of steps to rig your boat goes up considerably. A smaller boat for the same rig type just means the spars are shorter and lighter, making if physically a bit easier, but you will still need to assemble the same puzzle.

What does help is to not disassemble everything. During the season I leave the jib sheets connected (the attache with a soft-shackle to the clew) and I leave the main on the book (rolled up, but not rolled around) and the main sheet connected as well. That saves about 5 minutes - and as nature abhors a vacuum, I now use that time to rig the spinnaker :)

My prediction, the Javelin would not be that much faster to rig, but you might find it physically easier. Unless the latter is a gating item for you, consider whether it would be a better boat - for example, it might be easier to single-hand as your weight would be more effective as movable ballast.
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Re: daysailer 1 vs Javelin

Postby domromer » Wed May 11, 2016 4:55 pm

the catalina expo is pretty much what you are describing and the perfect boat for our needs...but sadly used ones are as rare as hens teeth.
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Re: daysailer 1 vs Javelin

Postby jeadstx » Thu May 12, 2016 3:36 am

I would guess that rigging a Javelin would be about the same as a DS I. Stepping the mast might be bit easier.

Attached is a O'Day spec sheet from a 1968 catalog for comparison.
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Re: daysailer 1 vs Javelin

Postby GreenLake » Thu May 12, 2016 9:33 am

Interesting to note the steel centerboard.

The overall weight should be 200 lbs less, which would make it easier to manhandle on or off a beach and would make it easier to push around on its trailer for storage in tight locations. At 125 compared to 145 sqft, the sail area may actually be slightly larger in comparison to the displacement, even after factoring in crew.
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Re: daysailer 1 vs Javelin

Postby jeadstx » Thu May 12, 2016 2:39 pm

Also note that the Javelin came in a keel version as well. I've seen pictures of a keel version in Florida.

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