Forestay connection

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Re: Forestay connection

Postby TIM WEBB » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:57 pm

I think there may be two separate threads within a thread here. One is focused on ways to pre-tension the mast in order to make pinning the forestay easier, and the other on ways to help raise the mast. Seems like the original post was more about the former than the latter, so my comments have been directed more towards that subject ...
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Re: Forestay connection

Postby GreenLake » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:10 pm

Tim, I think that's a continuum. When the mast is down, it's really hard to get the pin in :D

As you raise it, the distance diminishes in a satisfying way, but then there's that last little inch. 8)

For some, like in my case, that remainder is part of mast raising, because tensioning happens later. For others, it can be the first step to tensioning.

But, even with that indepth analysis of the problem, half the posts in this thread confuse me without a diagram. :?
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Re: Forestay connection

Postby TIM WEBB » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:42 pm

Continuum or conundrum? ;-P

I think it also depends on whether you are dealing with a one-piece or a hinged mast. I realize your situation is a bit unique GL, in that you have a one-piece mast, but also have your sleeve/hinge arrangement. At least with a one-piece, once it's up and stepped, it's not going anywhere while you connect the stays and tension the rig, either with turnbuckles or a step screw. With a hinged mast, one might need an arrangement that both helps with raising the mast, and keeping it raised, *and* helps with stay connection/tensioning, or just one or the other ...
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Re: Forestay connection

Postby jeadstx » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:56 pm

As Tim said the connection of the fore stay differs depending on if it is hinged or one piece. With the one piece mast (even with a hinge system to put it in place), once it is thru the deck opening and seated in the fixture on the keel, it should stay verticle until the stays are attached and adjusted. With the hinged mast, the side stays can be attached, but until the forestay is secured, the mast will not stay up. The hinge plate pins are not sufficient to ensure that the mast will stay up until the forestay is secured. If the side stays have not been changed, most of the stay adjustment and tensioning will be done with the forestay.

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Re: Forestay connection

Postby GreenLake » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:05 pm

TIM WEBB wrote:Continuum or conundrum? ;-P

TIm, I had drafted a nice long response, funny, too, I can claim, but the forum ate it. :)
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Re: Forestay connection

Postby TIM WEBB » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:46 pm

Ummm, as moderator, aren't you supposed to have mystical powers that enable you to retrieve items from the forum's nether regions?

Frankly, I found your comment about not being able to pin the forestay with the mast down funny enough! "But seriously folks - I'll be here all week!" ... ;-P
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Re: Forestay connection

Postby GreenLake » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:21 pm

Tim, mystical is the word. The forum UI has a quirk. When someone else has posted something while you were drafting your post, the submission UI changes, and if you just hit enter, you've suddenly agreed to cancel your post. Which happens mostly when you've just spent time on a long reply. Goes to show you.

Anyway, what's done is done. We'll get more chances to discuss mast-raising strategies in hair-raising detail.

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Re: Forestay connection

Postby TIM WEBB » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:44 pm

Tip: while composing a post, hit ctrl a then ctrl c often, especially before clicking preview. If all hell breaks loose, you can always start over and get back to where you used to be ... ;-P

<just did it!>

Now, what were we talking about? Oh no, I think I see a thread shift in our very near future! ;-P
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Re: Forestay connection

Postby K.C. Walker » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:00 am

Thread turns left and you are now on a dead-end road! Caution!

I use a word processor and do the copy and paste. It's particularly painful to lose a post that you spent time on being funny. :-)
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Re: Forestay connection

Postby GreenLake » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:39 pm

Losing a post is my definition of "not funny".
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Re: Forestay connection

Postby jeadstx » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:34 pm

I have lost a few posts. On a computer I always do a Ctrl 'C' before submitting a long post. On my tablet I lose even short posts when trying to submit them to this forum. On the tablet, I'll log in, then type the response, only to have the system log me off, wipe out my response and tell me I need to log in. I've tried three or four times in a row before with the amount I type getting shorter and shorter. I now try to keep tablet responses short.

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Re: Forestay connection

Postby GreenLake » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:49 pm

John, check the "keep me logged in" box when you log in. You'll still get kicked off, but it'll be once every few weeks.

Usually, Firefox is pretty good about caching, so I can normally get my post back by navigating back to the previous page, but this time I didn't notice in time that my post hadn't gone through.
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