Jib Car Location

[barmmer]

I have a daysailer 1 and it does not have jib cars...the jib sheets go through a fixed block on the outside of the cockpit and through a hole in the wood,

If i were to replace this setup with a car and track...should I place them on the inside of the cockpit along the wood, or should they go on the outside along the deck

thanks for the response

[calden]

Hey;

I'd suggest putting them on the inside of the coaming. That seems to be the standard, and it works well for me - no sheets get hung up in anything. Here are couple of shots from my boat:





Click on them to enlarge to get a better idea of placement.

carlos

[Phill]

Except for the horn cleat....
I agree with Calden's location. Jib sheet turning block on the inside of the coaming, as far forward as possible so that the sheet just clears the cuddy edge when close hauled. ( good picture)

The addition of a Jib sheet IN-hauler can also improve upwind performance. Like this, pink line:


To enlarge, go to the photo gallery, on pg 3 find a pic that I posted. click on my high lighted name, and then click on 'personal gallery of phill'

sorry, Calden is better at posting pics in links.

phill

[barmmer]

Thanks for the quick replies and photos.
I will put them on the inside of the coaming (thanks for the correct term)

I too have only horn cleats, even the mainsail sheet has a horn cleat rather than a block an cam cleat, something I also need to correct, not sure how yet. I will most likely bolt a platform to the top of the housing

How thick is the firberglass there?

[calden]

barmmer:

DEFINITELY change those cleats. You want to be able to release the sheets immediately to prevent a sudden dunking. Here are the retrofitted jib sheet cleats I put on my boat:

I shaped a piece of mahogany and epoxied it to the centerboard trunk, also putting in some screws, then attached the cleats to that.

...and a picture of the cam/swivel block that was already there for the main sheet:


Someone on this forum has already discussed replacing the mainsheet block with a new one and talked about how to attach it to the centerboard trunk. Perhaps you can find this by using the search feature of the forum.

These are definitely worthwhile additions and make sailing a lot more stress-free. I can't imagine trucking along with the mainsheet on that horn cleat.

Carlos

[jpclowes]

I can offer an alternative to Carlos' position. I run my sheets to a cleat that I mounted about 6 inches inside the cuddy. The sheet runs from the coaming, like carlos' but I then run them to a bracket that I mounted to the side of the cuddy. On that bracket I have a turning block, going to a cleat, that faces in a way that it is easy to both cleat and release.

The advantage of this setup is that when I sail with crew in light air, (a frequent occurence in the summers in Ohio,) the crew can sit on the low side of the boat, well foreward, and not be in the way of the jib sheets. I have not heard them complain about not being able to get them in heavy air. However, I have also maintained the cleats on the trunk, which I use when I single-hand the boat. The cleats under the cuddy are kind of out of the way for solo sailing. If I had a longer jib-sheet, I might not need them though.

To make these, I cheated. Work was throwing away a set of old lockers, in thsoe lockers were these aluminum pieces with a right angle. I took two of these, mounted a piece of wood to them, (shaped and routed so they look pretty) and then mounted my turning blocks and cleats to these. My crews have appreciated the modification

[calden]

J.P.:

Sounds interesting. How about some pictures?

Carlos

[Wyatt]

I believe D&R Marine is now selling jib tracks with cam cleats included in the assembly. From a traditionalist's point of view this ruins the original rigging layout, but it solves the problem of having the jib lines crossing the cockpit.

Regards,

Wyatt

[barmmer]

Since I can't fiqure out how to add pictures that work

pictures of my jib rigging can be found at


http://forum.daysailer.org/forum/gallery/album.php?album_id=68

Does any one else have a traveler like mine?

[jpclowes]

Carlos
The boat is put away for the winter. I'll see if I can get to it and get something to post.

Barmmer
One of the boats I sail with had a traveler like that, before the owner changed it. The two "bumps" molded into the deck are still there on his. I think his sail number is 1128.

[thomas]

I've got that...the bump traveller, on #766. strange looking, how does it work? my boat not in the water yet.

[barmmer]

It works well as a traveler...only in that the boom does travel from one side to the other..there is no adjustment to it for upwind performance...you can tighten the sheet to center the boom, but you loose all your sail shape.

The block is a little worn because it was a raw wire, original, until this summer. I changed it to a plastic coated one and it rolls a bit better.

does anyone know where I can get replacement bushings for it...


I think I would like to change it at some point.

[jpclowes]

Carlos
I finally got my camera, and my boat in the same place, and took some pictures of how my jib sheet cleats work. (You thought I had forgotten, didn't you. ) Anyway, I had trouble shrinking down the pictures, so I sent them to Bob, and hopefully he will post them in my personal gallery soon, or send them back to me, shrunken so that I can do it. (I know just enough about these computer things to be dangerous!) When they get posted I will do my best to explain what is going on.

Stay tuned!

[jpclowes]

OK with a little help from Bob, I was able to upload pictures of my jib cleats to my personal gallery. Go to:

http://forum.daysailer.org/forum/gallery/album.php?album_id=112

and you can view them. A little explanation. The line in the pictures is supposed to represent the jib sheet. Normally it would go through a barber in-hauler first, but that was hard to show without the mast up. (The red line in the overall pic is the port side barber in-hauler) This line goes to the jib car, and then forward to the cleat. It is a useful setup for sailing with crew, because they don't get tangled in the sheets, like they do when the sheets are cleated at the centerboard, you are sailing in light air, (common here in Ohio) and sitting to leeward. It also forces the crew to sit as far forward as possible, which keeps the weight distribution better. I still retain the older centerboard mounted jib cleets too, because I find these foreward mounted cleats are too far foreward to reach easily when single-handing. If my jib sheets were a foot or two longer, and I could keep them in easy reach, I might be able to get rid of them.

I think I mentioned in my previous post that these "L" shaped brackets were just aluminum brackets from an old locker system that my work was getting rid of. A friend helped me round the wood I mounted on top.

[Phill]

Looks very nice. Nice pics too.

I've seen somthing similar on one of the very successful top boats (PCC Champ). He really likes it too.

Couple of ideas, if you will permit me.

Perhaps a dremel with a cutoff wheel could shorten the bolts that hold the forward check blocks. Those things look like a nice thigh scratch makers if you get too far forward or slip durning a manouver.

You might try putting the fairleads on the coaming futher forward, like in Caldens picture at the beginning of this thread. For beating this will put a little more leech tension on the jib and keep the top from twisting too much.

If you find that the crew is having trouble holding the sheet in heavy winds, a small racheting block on the coaming or the cheek position could help there. I dont use them, but am often tempted to try them.

Very nice work and a great idea.

phill